September 21, 2008
Remember who we are up against
"1. Quoted in James Wesley, "Derivatives – The Mystery Man Who’ll Break the Global Bank at Monte Carlo," SurvivalBlog.com (September 2006).
2. "Killer Derivatives, Zombie CDOs and Basel Too?", Institutional Risk Analytics (August 14, 2007).
3. Kevin DeMeritt, "$1.14 Quadrillion in Derivatives – What Goes Up . . . ," Gold-Eagle.com (June 16, 2008)"
(I wouldn't usually quote from something like Ellen Brown's blog, "The Web of Debt", which may be on the wilder edges og the blogosphere, but in this particular case both the argument and figures in the quote seem pretty sound and worth remembering.)
You know, something about the maths here seems wrong. I think the actual GDP of all countries in the world is actually around 60,000 trillion. The mix-up seems to be because "trillion" can mean a million million or - in US usage - a thousand million. I think the two have been confused.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
I mean, 1000 trillion in derivatives is still frightening, but I think (if I'm right) that it's certainly smaller than world GDP.
Posted by: Karen Mahony at September 22, 2008 3:52 PMKaren - always good to hear from you, but this one occasion when I wish I hadn't. Your comments sent me plunging back into the fantasy world of finance, of which I am profoundly ignorant. Checking it all out again there seems to be no one who claims that the "value" of derivates is less than world GDP. The most conservative put it at something like twice world GDP, others at anything up to 9 or 10 times. The even larger numbers refer to trades, which the Bank for International Settlements estimates to be two trillion dollars a day. In one sense the precise numbers don't matter, the significance of the numbers is that since the 1980s the world of finance has become ever more detached from what we could call the "real economy". In other words a crisis waiting to happen. (I have talked about this before. See for example "A map is not the territory (revisited)" http://www.purposivedrift.net/archives/000380.html
Posted by: richard at September 24, 2008 11:13 AM